Comments on: Lifting Keel Yacht For Sale http://www.lifestylesailingblog.com/safety/lifting-keel-yacht-for-sale/ researching live-aboard sailing yachts Sat, 31 Jul 2010 23:35:20 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3 By: John Price-Yachts for Sale http://www.lifestylesailingblog.com/safety/lifting-keel-yacht-for-sale/#comment-817 John Price-Yachts for Sale Thu, 29 Jul 2010 21:57:00 +0000 http://www.lifestylesailingblog.com/safety/lifting-keel-yacht-for-sale/#comment-817 What a nice piece of craft. I love the boat, its awesome. Thanks for posting! If you have the chance feel free to visit me back on my site. What a nice piece of craft. I love the boat, its awesome. Thanks for posting! If you have the chance feel free to visit me back on my site.

]]> By: John Robinson http://www.lifestylesailingblog.com/safety/lifting-keel-yacht-for-sale/#comment-816 John Robinson Mon, 21 Jun 2010 07:52:47 +0000 http://www.lifestylesailingblog.com/safety/lifting-keel-yacht-for-sale/#comment-816 Hi Chris, The keel when it goes up and down does not touch the sides. I thought it would and welded stainless steel strips on both the keel and the sides but they have never been used. The 75mm stainless pin it swings on is strong enough on its own. Once down it locks into a wedge shaped fitting so it cannot move. When the keel is down you can get into it from the top.Its narrow and if the boat is in the water you are in nearly about a metre of water. The only parts of Crusoe that you cannot get at if you need to on the inside or outside is behind the fridge and the freezer and they have a 50 mm gap at the back so you can see, and I took extra special care in this area. This is the second large steel boat that I have built, the first was launched in 1984. The new owners still have her and she has spent most of the last 15 years in Asia with no major problems. Crusoe has a lot of stainless steel used in her ie;The knuckle, toerail etc, all hatches and windows are mounted on stainless. This cuts down maintenance to a minimum. We have just taken her out of the water for an antifoul and checkup. The annodes are the original after 10 years! But I think they finally do need replacing. This year I have put in a Mastervolt true sine wave inverter charger and all new nav instruments. Crusoes hull will still be around in a 100 years with normal maintenance. I wonder how many of the latest fibreglass ones will be. At this stage nobody has made us an offer that we cannot refuse so we are off to Fiji in July subject to weather. Our 40 year old son is getting married there in September and we should return in November. Regards John Robinson Hi Chris,
The keel when it goes up and down does not touch the sides. I thought it would and welded stainless steel strips on both the keel and the sides but they have never been used. The 75mm stainless pin it swings on is strong enough on its own. Once down it locks into a wedge shaped fitting so it cannot move. When the keel is down you can get into it from the top.Its narrow and if the boat is in the water you are in nearly about a metre of water. The only parts of Crusoe that you cannot get at if you need to on the inside or outside is behind the fridge and the freezer and they have a 50 mm gap at the back so you can see, and I took extra special care in this area. This is the second large steel boat that I have built, the first was launched in 1984. The new owners still have her and she has spent most of the last 15 years in Asia with no major problems. Crusoe has a lot of stainless steel used in her ie;The knuckle, toerail etc, all hatches and windows are mounted on stainless. This cuts down maintenance to a minimum. We have just taken her out of the water for an antifoul and checkup. The annodes are the original after 10 years! But I think they finally do need replacing. This year I have put in a Mastervolt true sine wave inverter charger and all new nav instruments. Crusoes hull will still be around in a 100 years with normal maintenance. I wonder how many of the latest fibreglass ones will be. At this stage nobody has made us an offer that we cannot refuse so we are off to Fiji in July subject to weather. Our 40 year old son is getting married there in September and we should return in November.

Regards John Robinson

]]> By: Chris http://www.lifestylesailingblog.com/safety/lifting-keel-yacht-for-sale/#comment-815 Chris Sun, 20 Jun 2010 04:50:55 +0000 http://www.lifestylesailingblog.com/safety/lifting-keel-yacht-for-sale/#comment-815 I'm very interested in Crusoe and an keen to view, but I'm currently working long hours in the process of selling my business, hopefully if/when that goes through I'll have both the time and the money, at which point I'll be in touch to arrange a viewing. Meanwhile, one thing concerns me... as you rightly mention, maintenance is key to the longevity of a boat, in particular with steel maintaining a waterproof paint layer is crucial because once rust sets in things can go downhill quickly. I'm concerned that the keel casing could be a weak point in this respect, out of sight, hard to access, full of salt water and air sloshing about, plus very prone to the paint coatings being scraped off when raising/lowering the keel. Could you possibly describe how these issues are addressed both in terms of design/construction and maintenance/inspection access? Best wishes, Chris I’m very interested in Crusoe and an keen to view, but I’m currently working long hours in the process of selling my business, hopefully if/when that goes through I’ll have both the time and the money, at which point I’ll be in touch to arrange a viewing.

Meanwhile, one thing concerns me… as you rightly mention, maintenance is key to the longevity of a boat, in particular with steel maintaining a waterproof paint layer is crucial because once rust sets in things can go downhill quickly.

I’m concerned that the keel casing could be a weak point in this respect, out of sight, hard to access, full of salt water and air sloshing about, plus very prone to the paint coatings being scraped off when raising/lowering the keel.

Could you possibly describe how these issues are addressed both in terms of design/construction and maintenance/inspection access?

Best wishes,
Chris

]]> By: John http://www.lifestylesailingblog.com/safety/lifting-keel-yacht-for-sale/#comment-812 John Fri, 21 May 2010 19:50:10 +0000 http://www.lifestylesailingblog.com/safety/lifting-keel-yacht-for-sale/#comment-812 Crusoe's hull was built under the supervision of Marine and Industrial a division of Ministry of Transport - a government department. In about 1998 MIM was sold to SGS and and since then the Safe Ship Management system has been in place so the old classification system is no longer used. As noted the hull was built and passed for class 8 at the time. I then found out to continue finishing her to that classification you would need to have a registered engineer in the engine room. Lifelines would have to 1m high etc. so I finished her to Class 5, which if I remember correctly, was for an offshore charter yacht anywhere around NZ. However she has never been in charter. I did put in the lifelines at 800mm not the normal 600mm high which does give you added safety at sea. If someone wanted to put her in charter in NZ they would have to enter into the Safe Management System and I can't imagine that being a problem. The propeller shaft is certified, for example. The naval architect who passed the plans for MIM was a Mr Ian Lancaster who was surveyor of ships for them he now works for Maritime NZ. I trust this answers your question. Regards John Robinson Crusoe’s hull was built under the supervision of Marine and Industrial a division of Ministry of Transport - a government department.

In about 1998 MIM was sold to SGS and and since then the Safe Ship Management system has been in place so the old classification system is no longer used.

As noted the hull was built and passed for class 8 at the time. I then found out to continue finishing her to that classification you would need to have a registered engineer in the engine room.

Lifelines would have to 1m high etc. so I finished her to Class 5, which if I remember correctly, was for an offshore charter yacht anywhere around NZ. However she has never been in charter.

I did put in the lifelines at 800mm not the normal 600mm high which does give you added safety at sea.

If someone wanted to put her in charter in NZ they would have to enter into the Safe Management System and I can’t imagine that being a problem. The propeller shaft is certified, for example.

The naval architect who passed the plans for MIM was a Mr Ian Lancaster who was surveyor of ships for them he now works for Maritime NZ.

I trust this answers your question.
Regards John Robinson

]]> By: John http://www.lifestylesailingblog.com/safety/lifting-keel-yacht-for-sale/#comment-810 John Sat, 15 May 2010 01:36:50 +0000 http://www.lifestylesailingblog.com/safety/lifting-keel-yacht-for-sale/#comment-810 NZ Ships Standards Category 8. Have tried to find the source of the documentation to see what this means without success. Can anyone help ? NZ Ships Standards Category 8. Have tried to find the source of the documentation to see what this means without success. Can anyone help ?

]]> By: Krzysiu http://www.lifestylesailingblog.com/safety/lifting-keel-yacht-for-sale/#comment-809 Krzysiu Wed, 12 May 2010 11:47:19 +0000 http://www.lifestylesailingblog.com/safety/lifting-keel-yacht-for-sale/#comment-809 Great article with a lot of good quality pictures. I like it:) Did You now, that the <a href="http://anglopolish.com/index.php/archive/8-polish-cars/168-the-fastest-catamaran-in-the-world" rel="nofollow">fastest catamaran</a> is in Poland ? :) Great article with a lot of good quality pictures. I like it:)
Did You now, that the fastest catamaran is in Poland ? :)

]]> By: Mark Balenovic http://www.lifestylesailingblog.com/safety/lifting-keel-yacht-for-sale/#comment-808 Mark Balenovic Mon, 10 May 2010 03:38:41 +0000 http://www.lifestylesailingblog.com/safety/lifting-keel-yacht-for-sale/#comment-808 Crusoe remains one of the best offers on the cruising market today, in my not-so-humble opinion. You have to cross deep oceans to get to shallow cruising grounds, and so we need Crusoe. You look at the cruising boat market today, and you find lift keel yachts for US 750k and up, or popular cruisers with a "shallow draft keel" option of 6 or 7 feet draught, not suitable for the Bahamas or the Chesapeake, or any lagoon you may find. The only other intelligent yacht that I found in the last year of research was "Salt", a 46' ketch from USA, but this boat is a cold-molded and balsa cored hull. Crusoe does not have those structural nightmares. I hope I can snag this boat before my enthusiastic comments encourage another buyer to act. I've been looking for a boat for over 40 years now. Crusoe remains one of the best offers on the cruising market today, in my not-so-humble opinion. You have to cross deep oceans to get to shallow cruising grounds, and so we need Crusoe. You look at the cruising boat market today, and you find lift keel yachts for US 750k and up, or popular cruisers with a “shallow draft keel” option of 6 or 7 feet draught, not suitable for the Bahamas or the Chesapeake, or any lagoon you may find. The only other intelligent yacht that I found in the last year of research was “Salt”, a 46′ ketch from USA, but this boat is a cold-molded and balsa cored hull. Crusoe does not have those structural nightmares. I hope I can snag this boat before my enthusiastic comments encourage another buyer to act. I’ve been looking for a boat for over 40 years now.

]]> By: Wilma http://www.lifestylesailingblog.com/safety/lifting-keel-yacht-for-sale/#comment-152 Wilma Mon, 30 Mar 2009 04:26:17 +0000 http://www.lifestylesailingblog.com/safety/lifting-keel-yacht-for-sale/#comment-152 Mark, I am with you all the way. I have this with the interiors, on a boat things all of a sudden become a problem, thngs that on land wouldn't cause a blink of the eye. For example having a front opening fridge is considered an issue and people in all honestly want me to struggle with one of those bench top opening monsters, please! I too would like to swing this boat, the galley alone has me drooling WITH a front opening fridge and proper bench space you can do something on. Mark, I am with you all the way.
I have this with the interiors, on a boat things all of a sudden become a problem, thngs that on land wouldn’t cause a blink of the eye.
For example having a front opening fridge is considered an issue and people in all honestly want me to struggle with one of those bench top opening monsters, please!
I too would like to swing this boat, the galley alone has me drooling WITH a front opening fridge and proper bench space you can do something on.

]]> By: Mark Balenovic http://www.lifestylesailingblog.com/safety/lifting-keel-yacht-for-sale/#comment-151 Mark Balenovic Sun, 29 Mar 2009 03:17:44 +0000 http://www.lifestylesailingblog.com/safety/lifting-keel-yacht-for-sale/#comment-151 Rats. I'm still trying to figure out a way to swing this swing keel boat for my personal antipodal ice exploration. Meanwhile, otherwise decent folk are fussing about the hydraulics! Each one of us has quietly relinquished trust to the power steering (hydraulic), power brakes (hydraulic) and all-wheel-drive (hydraulic), automatic transmission (hydraulic), blah blah blah land and air transportation systems. Did I make a point? Hydraulics are some of the safest and most reliable mechanical systems we use every day without a thought. The real issue here is, folks, who will get to buy this yacht and risk chronic facial muscle spasms from grinning while sailing... Rats. I’m still trying to figure out a way to swing this swing keel boat for my personal antipodal ice exploration. Meanwhile, otherwise decent folk are fussing about the hydraulics! Each one of us has quietly relinquished trust to the power steering (hydraulic), power brakes (hydraulic) and all-wheel-drive (hydraulic), automatic transmission (hydraulic), blah blah blah land and air transportation systems. Did I make a point? Hydraulics are some of the safest and most reliable mechanical systems we use every day without a thought. The real issue here is, folks, who will get to buy this yacht and risk chronic facial muscle spasms from grinning while sailing…

]]> By: John Channings http://www.lifestylesailingblog.com/safety/lifting-keel-yacht-for-sale/#comment-143 John Channings Tue, 03 Mar 2009 02:58:43 +0000 http://www.lifestylesailingblog.com/safety/lifting-keel-yacht-for-sale/#comment-143 @ Mike, I asked John Robinson the owner your question about the hydraulics and he had this to say: "The hydraulics; when the main motor is running it runs the hydraulic system and when not a 12 volt pump automatically takes over. It however will not run the bow thruster or the anchor winch." And off the topic; 'saving' I believe never gets what you desire if it is big like the yacht Crusoe. Believing you deserve it then going out and doing what it takes to manifest lots of cash or resources will do it. I believe in dreams coming true. John @ Mike, I asked John Robinson the owner your question about the hydraulics and he had this to say: “The hydraulics; when the main motor is running it runs the hydraulic system and when not a 12 volt pump automatically takes over. It however will not run the bow thruster or the anchor winch.”

And off the topic; ’saving’ I believe never gets what you desire if it is big like the yacht Crusoe. Believing you deserve it then going out and doing what it takes to manifest lots of cash or resources will do it.
I believe in dreams coming true.
John

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